(CNN) — It’s not up to you after all, New York. And Chicago — the wind has been taken out of your deep dish sails.
At three volumes and almost 1,700 pages, it includes the history of pizza, more than 1,000 recipes, pizza-making techniques and tools plus tips on where to get the best pie — in exquisite detail and with stunning photos.
He said they managed to wrap up their pizza tours, which included visiting 250 pizzerias, before the Covid-19 pandemic shut things down.
How did Portland rise to the top?
Innovation is a key ingredient in Portland’s pizza scene.
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Myhrvold said he had no idea when the pizza sleuthing ‘n’ sampling began that Portland would take the gold.
“We knew Portland had undergone a foodie Renaissance of sorts in the last 20 years. But I didn’t particularly think that pizza was going to be as good there as many [other] places.”
The Modernist team went to big cities and and smaller towns across the United States, some of them with long associations as primo pizza havens, to make comparisons. They were:
Chicago
Detroit
Los Angeles
New York, New Jersey and Connecticut Tri-State area
Old Forge, Pennsylvania
Philadelphia
Phoenix
Quad Cities in Iowa and Illinois
San Francisco
Seattle
St. Louis
Myhrvold gives credit to two artisan places — Apizza Scholls and Ken’s Artisan Pizza — as jump-starting the quality pizza scene. “If you’ve got a really good role model, that helps, versus other places where the pizza’s terrible.”
He thought that Scholls and Ken’s would be it for Portland, “but that wasn’t it at all. There’s just a huge, vibrant community of people making great pizza.”
He said there’s no one style that defines Portland pizza except for the commonalities of creativity, the emphasis on quality ingredients and “people wanting to do a great job.”
“In general, where you find good food, you find some obsessed person who is trying their damnedest to make their food the best they can.”
Portland favorites
Portland’s pizza scene is hot. See the listing below for some of the top picks.
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— Lovely’s Fifty Fifty: Myhrvold says it’s arguably one of the two best pizza restaurants in the country (the other being Razza in Jersey City, New Jersey). Lovely’s other specialty is ice cream. 4039 N. Mississippi Ave., Portland, OR 97217.
Others that get special praise, in alphabetical order:
Where did New York go astray?
New York’s pizza scene is relying too much on old reputations, Myhrvold said.
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Myhrvold has some tough assessments about the current pizza scene as a whole, especially in Manhattan. Dollar-a-slice pizza and cheap pizzerias dominate there, he said. That wasn’t a compliment.
In his opinion, New York City is relying way too much on tradition and living off reputations instead of trying to present the best pies possible today.
“Most of the old-school New York ones aren’t that great, which is also part of our general finding around the world: famous old pizzerias are not up to their reputation. So if you go to a place in New York, and they say, ‘We’ve been doing this for 50 years’ — UH-OH!”
If you do want good pizza in New York, Myhrvold said you have a better chance of finding a good restaurant in the boroughs or the ‘burbs.
“I like Razza better than the pizzerias in New York City proper, certainly in Manhattan proper. That’s a little bit surprising to New Yorkers.”
Pizza around the world
Nathan Myhrvold chomped around the world for the best pizza — including big cities in South America and little towns in Italy.
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Pizza is not just an Italian invention and an American obsession. People love it all over the world, and they add their own twists.
Not to say there isn’t good pizza in the founding land.
“In Italy, there’s some fantastic pizzas. I’ve had great pizza in Naples, and in a little town outside Naples called Caiazzo.”
Myhrvold said two cities that caught his attention and taste buds for pizza are Sao Paulo, Brazil, and steak powerhouse Buenos Aires, Argentina. Both of these South American cities had substantial numbers of Italian immigrants in the 19th century, especially from Naples, he said.
Myhrvold isn’t too wild about creativity just for its own sake.
He and his team went to Seoul, South Korea, and Tokyo. “And there are some very good pizzas there. But there are also a lot of pizzas that have, for my tastes, weird s**t on a pizza. Squid tentacles and sweet potato cubes are just a weird combination.”
Why three volumes about pizza in particular?
This is where the magic happens — the Modernist Cuisine test kitchen.
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“Pizza is arguably the single most important dish in the world,” Myhrvold said. “It’s the most important imported cuisine.”
He was also drawn to pizza’s versatility and even the controversy.
There are “so many arguments about what makes great pizza. … If you look at a steak, a steak is pretty much a steak around the world. … Not true with pizza. The different forms of pizza are all over the map, literally. And it causes people to have violent disagreements and so forth.”
How did the “Modernist Pizza” authors come up with almost 1,700 pages on the topic? “We had to stop somewhere.”
He conceded he’s bad about judging the size of his books. “I always think it will be smaller than it turns out to be.”
“Modernist Pizza” is aimed at people who are “passionate and curious about food.”
He said you don’t have to be an accomplished cook to get something out of the volumes. “Meanwhile, if you cook a lot, but you’re not curious, and you just want to follow a recipe, boom, boom, boom, well, there are a lot of smaller books you could buy.”
As for the next project from the Modernist team — get ready for pastries and desserts.
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